smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Riceburner said: Sorry to hear this mate. I am sure you will get things sorted.I have even discussed with Gary about taking it on here TBH. How do these people stay in business?????????? Any help would be greatly appreciated mate, I just don't know how anyone can treat a car this way. You'd think that with is being so highly anticipated that he'd go the extra mile if anything to make sure people knew he did all the work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 1 hour ago, knightryder said: I'll bring my unicorn..... although might have replaced it with a dragon. I've already got a unicorn with the Stagea... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 14 minutes ago, KobayashiMaru said: I'm seething just reading what you've gone through. You've shown more patience than me, although I do understand projects like this with so much customisation takes time but he's not even made slow and steady progress on it. That's probably the most piss boiling part, along with his attitude. Really hope you get a decent result out of this and the car gets to where you want it. Absolutely mate. It's not even the fact that communication is poor and progress has been slow to say the least - it's the fact he tried telling me he's done stuff and I found out he hasn't. Like I'm not going to find out?! Just baffles me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 You've definitely made the right decision, these guys sound like a waste of space. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie_GRMN 177 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 Shit mate, sorry to hear this, sounds like a right mess about I'm sure it'll be up and running before you know it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gringosteve 213 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Sounds like the behaviour you typically see from a trader out of his depth in terms of volume and/or complexity of work taken on. At this point people will lie and decide to hide their inadequacies as a defence mechanism, hiding the failure. Sorry to hear this happened to you mate, but 100% sure the pain and hassle will be worth it next year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 On 03/12/2016 at 9:15 AM, Gringosteve said: Sounds like the behaviour you typically see from a trader out of his depth in terms of volume and/or complexity of work taken on. At this point people will lie and decide to hide their inadequacies as a defence mechanism, hiding the failure. Sorry to hear this happened to you mate, but 100% sure the pain and hassle will be worth it next year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm almost certain that he hit a wall when he first started looking at the wiring months ago, but instead of admitting it doing anything about it, he buried his head in other projects to keep him busy and have an excuse (even though it's not) to not work on mine I'm still waiting for him to accept my requests as he's "running some numbers to send to me this weekend". When I asked him what numbers these were exactly, I of course got no answer. He goes on holiday in a few weeks, if he thinks he can drag this out until then, he'll have a nasty shock when he gets home 1 Gringosteve reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gringosteve 213 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 Think you are taking the right approach, you have given him a chance to do the decent thing. If he doesn't do it then he needs to accept there will be legal consequences Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 17 minutes ago, Gringosteve said: Think you are taking the right approach, you have given him a chance to do the decent thing. If he doesn't do it then he needs to accept there will be legal consequences Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not even the first chance I've given him...lost count of how many! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 Speak of the devil, and he shall appear... He's got his "numbers" over to me in a pathetic attempt to basically say he doesn't owe me anything, but without actually saying it because he knows he's fucked up. His latest message to me has me literally SHAKING with rage He has stated the the original quote was for £8k to supply and fit a 1UZ engine, supercharger and gearbox in full working and running order. But then tried to lay out some parts that "were outside of the original quote"... - stripping and painting the engine (agreed on day 1 of discussions before he had the car, stating that I need the engine to look as good as it goes) - fitting new driveshafts and differential (again, agreed on day 1 of discussions before he had the car, I would be supplying the parts for him to fit) - SERVICING the engine! WHAT THE ACTUAL F**K?! Was he intending on giving me a 2nd hand engine and just hoping it would be OK? Is this guy having a f**king laugh?! He's then set out a list of costs next to various parts and random number of hours for labour. He's even trying to charge me £1750 for the Rotrex when the original discussion (which my girlfriend actually reminded me of as she was there at the time!) was that I wanted a twin screw supercharger, but he knows someone at Rotrex so will include one in the price as he wants to develop a kit for him to then sell onto other 1UZ owners in the future. My response was a little less professional that previous ones, I have blown my top and essentially lost it with this guy. The long and short is, he needs to meet my demands (which he still hasn't directly agreed or disagreed to) before legal action is commenced. Every fibre of my body is telling me to go and get me car tonight, right this second. But I need him to finish this car mechanically so I'm not taking it to someone else to then have to put more work into it, purely because this lazy bastard essentially can't be arsed to do the decent thing 2 Keethos and ALB453 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinA 695 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 Gloves off now, you've been more than fair to date 3 smudge, Gringosteve and ALB453 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 I genuinely feel like I'm dealing with a child! Ask a question and I either get a load of bullshit with no answer or the answer is in some for of cryptic sodding clue! I've resorted to asking him questions where only a "yes" or "no" will suffice, see if he can grasp that concept Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 Given the sum involved is it worth speaking to a solicitor? It sounds like he's done nowhere near even 6 grands worth of work. The whole thing with an engine conversion is it's hard, that's why they should be priced for contingency. A half done one isn't worth shit as no one will want to touch someone elses mess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 3 hours ago, maurice said: Given the sum involved is it worth speaking to a solicitor? It sounds like he's done nowhere near even 6 grands worth of work. The whole thing with an engine conversion is it's hard, that's why they should be priced for contingency. A half done one isn't worth shit as no one will want to touch someone elses mess. Citizens Advice/Trading Standards have both directed me towards small claims court. Solicitors are expensive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benmmellor 44 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 I have a similar experience in terms of paying someone to do a job for me, providign some expensive materials and then getting a shit job at the end. 2yrs on and we're due back in small claims court on the 22nd Dec! Legal advice I got was from my household insurance (couldn't use them to take it on as a legal case due to his liability insurer stalling to take me over the time limit), and others was to use the SCC as it was 'just' under £10k of damages. Trading standards were a bit 'wet' and siad it look ok to them - despite me listing all the fauls I'd been told about and that was just what we could see! We had a 'directions' hearing as the defendant wanted to dispute it, we ended up being told to give each other a list of 'industry experts' who could be commissioned to write a detailed report on the work done. He never bothered to provide a list to me and chose an expert from the list I had created which was rushed to get it in for the evidence hand over deadline. The report got done and essentially condemned his work - even stating that he has devalued my property due to his negligence and dodgy workmanship. Given the specialised nature of your dispute - you may be asked to agree to have an 'expert witness' report done. This will need to be someone you both agree on to do the work (unless he does like my defendent and act like an ostrich). The next issue is finding someone (you might need 3 names) who are recognised as being able to doe this sort of work? Maybe research potential people for this - e.g. Fensport, Woodsport etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 6 hours ago, benmmellor said: I have a similar experience in terms of paying someone to do a job for me, providign some expensive materials and then getting a shit job at the end. 2yrs on and we're due back in small claims court on the 22nd Dec! Legal advice I got was from my household insurance (couldn't use them to take it on as a legal case due to his liability insurer stalling to take me over the time limit), and others was to use the SCC as it was 'just' under £10k of damages. Trading standards were a bit 'wet' and siad it look ok to them - despite me listing all the fauls I'd been told about and that was just what we could see! We had a 'directions' hearing as the defendant wanted to dispute it, we ended up being told to give each other a list of 'industry experts' who could be commissioned to write a detailed report on the work done. He never bothered to provide a list to me and chose an expert from the list I had created which was rushed to get it in for the evidence hand over deadline. The report got done and essentially condemned his work - even stating that he has devalued my property due to his negligence and dodgy workmanship. Given the specialised nature of your dispute - you may be asked to agree to have an 'expert witness' report done. This will need to be someone you both agree on to do the work (unless he does like my defendent and act like an ostrich). The next issue is finding someone (you might need 3 names) who are recognised as being able to doe this sort of work? Maybe research potential people for this - e.g. Fensport, Woodsport etc? Thanks for the advice bud, experts wouldn't be hard to come across at all. Abbey, Fensport, Tuning Developments, CGR - pretty much any trader on this forum could carry out the work I don't know why but I'm still hoping this knob will do the right thing and just get my very minimalist requirements sorted. Until them, I am hounding the guy so that he see's me as a pain in his arse and gets things sorted ASAP Unfortunately, he's decided that today he is too busy to do any work and has informed me he's been collecting a car from up North...great use of your time when you go away on the 12th December. I've said that unless he meets my demands for completing whatever work is left and paying me the compensation I've requested, then I'll be picking the car up on the 12th regardless and I'll begin court proceedings ASAP Had enough of trying to be friendly and sort this amicably. It's clear the bastard doesn't give a shit 3 KobayashiMaru, Keethos and Gringosteve reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benmmellor 44 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 I tried to be fair, civil, reasonable at all times over the last 2yrs. I got advised that this will go a long way with the District Judge who will want to see how each party has behaved. Keep detailed records and have all your evidence ready and a detailed statement of the situation. I can send you what I did. I also had all the texts and emails as part of the evidence I submitted. Ideally you would need a court certified expert witness or an industry recognised expert tuner with a proven history. Get legal advice from your insurance if you have legal cover. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 42 minutes ago, benmmellor said: I tried to be fair, civil, reasonable at all times over the last 2yrs. I got advised that this will go a long way with the District Judge who will want to see how each party has behaved. Keep detailed records and have all your evidence ready and a detailed statement of the situation. I can send you what I did. I also had all the texts and emails as part of the evidence I submitted. Ideally you would need a court certified expert witness or an industry recognised expert tuner with a proven history. Get legal advice from your insurance if you have legal cover. Everything I have ever said to him has been as civil as possible, up until my message the other night which had a few more swear words than usual as I'd just completely lost my rag. But ultimately, everything has been said in a professional manner otherwise Apart from the initial conversation with him before he had the car, when Michelle and I went to visit him so she is a witness to what was discussed, every conversation has been on Messenger so it's in writing Would my insurance legal cover get involved in this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KobayashiMaru 28 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 You said it needs to be all together mechanically but one option could be the next time you go there to take the guy who will do the work for you now to survey what state it's in (although don't say who he is or what he's doing, just say he's a friend), what he thinks would be missing, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 6 hours ago, KobayashiMaru said: You said it needs to be all together mechanically but one option could be the next time you go there to take the guy who will do the work for you now to survey what state it's in (although don't say who he is or what he's doing, just say he's a friend), what he thinks would be missing, etc. Not really an option for a number of reasons, mainly being that just "looking" at the car while it's on the floor doesn't really give you an answer as to what might need doing After another day of what feels like arguing with a child, he's supposed to be getting back to me on my demands tonight. I have 0 faith that he actually will though... I saw on Facebook that he had commented on things like "what would you do with $10m" and "homeless people to be fined for sleeping on the streets"...so I told him if he has time to be on Facebook answering trivial questions, he has time to come back to me on my demands... Hopefully have an update tonight, but I've told him categorically that I'm collecting the car on Monday 12th December. He said I can't do that until he's agreed a resolution with me, yet he's the one that is stalling this whole process. The car will be in my possession again on the 12th regardless of his (or lack of) actions before then 2 ALB453 and KobayashiMaru reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALB453 51 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 You know my views on this. Shit on his name, he doesn't deserve any work period. The guy shouldn't be responsible for a buisness. 5 Minion, Camilz, Tareim and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smudge 1020 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 Wow, I'm actually genuinely shocked at his latest message. Partly because he has actually given me some useful information and agreed to do the work before he leaves on holiday next week, but unfortunately the list is longer than expected meaning he really hasn't done any work on my car over the past few months. Remaining mechanical work: Exhaust manifolds needs finishing off Gearbox mounts need completing where it attaches to the tunnel Bearing spacer for the clutch Flywheel spline is apparently complete, just needs refitting Machining on the supercharger bracket No mention of intercooler for the charger at all, think I'll be swallowing that myself seeing as he wanted to change to a chargecooler. So once all that is done, which he says will be done by the weekend as he's allocated Thursday and Friday to complete it, it's just the electrical side which will be completed elsewhere. Sounds like my words are starting to hit home, but of course I'm not holding my breath until I see the work has been done. No mention of the parts in my car, my spare/OEM parts that he still has and of course no mention about the compensation...yet 1 Keethos reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tareim 343 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 well I guess it's a step in the right direction, hopefully he finally man's up and gets it done for you when he said he would Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTR 509 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 4 hours ago, Tareim said: well I guess it's a step in the right direction, hopefully he finally man's up and gets it done for you when he said he would I guess if he keeps messing around, Sam can "Tare-im" apart and before anyone asks, I'm well aware I have all the comedic nuance of a plane crash. 2 Andrew Smith and Keethos reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S18 RSG 429 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 28 minutes ago, TTR said: I guess if he keeps messing around, Sam can "Tare-im" apart and before anyone asks, I'm well aware I have all the comedic nuance of a plane crash. Petition to have TTR suspended for a week from the forum following that pun... 3 LarmiqGt, smudge and Keethos reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
