Deacon 1357 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Nicebiscuit said: ...so why didn't you just buy one? ;-) It was in the spirit of the guilty pleasures idea not something I'd actually genuinely own (unless maybe as a daily). It comes about from doing a few of the VXR track events they put on each year (excellent value - you really are encouraged to give the cars a good workout) and being very impressed with the way the Corsa drove on track. You're right on the fiesta too and I'm sure if I'd driven it on track like the Corsa it could also be added to my guilty pleasure list (although I wouldn't feel quite as guilty for liking the ST as I do / would the VXR). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kodename47 446 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 Having recently driven one, contemplating one of these: It's a guilty pleasure as I dislike BMW quite a lot..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bfranklyn86 52 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 BMW 440i for me. Slightly understated but still good looking and fast. Doubt it would be very trackable though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kodename47 446 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 32 minutes ago, Bfranklyn86 said: BMW 440i for me. Slightly understated but still good looking and fast. Doubt it would be very trackable though. The M235i was great fun on a very wet Goodwood. Comparable size to the 86, just far more punch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bfranklyn86 52 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 1 hour ago, knightryder said: The M235i was great fun on a very wet Goodwood. Comparable size to the 86, just far more punch. 1.5 tons though...... I remember chris from dedication blog saying in his video that he thought the M4 felt quite heavy for track when compared to his 86 or R8. I wonder how much power you'd need from the FA20 to get to get the 86 to feel like its got as much punch as an m235i. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S18 RSG 429 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, Bfranklyn86 said: 1.5 tons though...... I remember chris from dedication blog saying in his video that he thought the M4 felt quite heavy for track when compared to his 86 or R8. I wonder how much power you'd need from the FA20 to get to get the 86 to feel like its got as much punch as an m235i. "Feel" is all about torque. A twin turbo straight six will quite likely feel more punchy than a 2 litre 4 cylinder in 99% of cases. The M235i has 330lb/ft from stock. You're talking built engine and 10+psi of boost for that sort of torque from an FA20. In terms of getting a GT86 up to that level of performance, I would wager a simple stage 1 turbo running 280-300bhp would be around the same sorta region, but would still be down almost 100lb/ft on torque. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ade 517 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 Wheel torque is what you feel, so gearing comes into it. Also its more about torque curve. Those engines have more torque low down than up the top which makes them feel more pokey. Its one of the reason people thing the GT86 is under-powered compared to an eco boost fiesta ST. On paper they are 321ps and weigh 1.5 tons so 214hp/ton. A turbo gt86 is the same as that, but the BMWs are under rated for power and also torque curve as mentioned above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicebiscuit 655 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 Wheel torque is what you feel, so gearing comes into it. Also its more about torque curve. Those engines have more torque low down than up the top which makes them feel more pokey. Its one of the reason people thing the GT86 is under-powered compared to an eco boost fiesta ST. On paper they are 321ps and weigh 1.5 tons so 214hp/ton. A turbo gt86 is the same as that, but the BMWs are under rated for power and also torque curve as mentioned above. Absolutely. Whilst it's great fun as a driver, for punchiness my 86 feels completely gutless compared to my old Saab 9-5 Aero. That had 285 bhp but given it was a great lardy lump of metal they should be close. But the Saab had great gobs of torque from 2.5k upwards. Nothing but nothing I've owned could hold a candle to that for overtaking... Even my 120d coupe was punchier in an overtake than the GT86 and that gives away 20 bhp and 200kg... Having tried TDs Turbo 86 - that certainly does the trick. It is not slow... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ade 517 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 I doubt even the TD turbo kit has a great wedge of torque low down, as it'll bend the rods. Looknig at their dyno plot, torques steadily rises till about 4000rpm where it stay relatively flat. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll83/tuningdevelopments/TD86 Turbo Comparison_zps5lsxekma.jpg~original compare that to the 235i which peaks at 3700rpm and is putting out significantly more TQ at 3k-5k that it is at the red line of 6800rpms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicebiscuit 655 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 I suppose 'low' is relative... 'lower' perhaps! Felt very similar in delivery to other turboed cars I've driven - and the 86 is lighter of course which will help... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Ade reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
un1eash 9 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Bfranklyn86 said: BMW 440i for me. Slightly understated but still good looking and fast. Doubt it would be very trackable though. Went with a close friend last weekend to order a fully specd up 440i Gran Coupe. pretty sure my next car will be a M140i now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kodename47 446 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 I'd be looking at a LCI M240i.I understand that the newer engine has a different power delivery but I was shocked at how much the 235 kept shoving at the top of the rev band. I wansnt expecting that and its whats made me consider it. It would also need no mods, making It easy running without worry and a comfier cruiser than the 86 too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tegunulgener 84 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 We all gave up on around £27000 for our cars... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicebiscuit 655 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 I'd be looking at a LCI M240i.I understand that the newer engine has a different power delivery but I was shocked at how much the 235 kept shoving at the top of the rev band. I wansnt expecting that and its whats made me consider it. It would also need no mods, making It easy running without worry and a comfier cruiser than the 86 too. I loved my 1 series coupe. Great car, beautifully made and lovely to own but it never put a smile on my face like the 86 does... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeB 79 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 My work car is latest BMW 120d sport Xdrive with 295lb torque & 190bhp twin turbo matched to 8 speed auto. I can split drive 50/50, 60/40 or 80/20. As a point to point car it's amazingly fast especially in sport and sport + but it does not give you the same feeling as the 86. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
un1eash 9 Report post Posted November 10, 2016 1 hour ago, MikeB said: My work car is latest BMW 120d sport Xdrive with 295lb torque & 190bhp twin turbo matched to 8 speed auto. I can split drive 50/50, 60/40 or 80/20. As a point to point car it's amazingly fast especially in sport and sport + but it does not give you the same feeling as the 86. B47 engine isn't twin turbo, its what BMW call twin power which is a single turbo with variable vanes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remal 85 Report post Posted November 15, 2016 On 09/11/2016 at 9:54 PM, Nicebiscuit said: Well yes - very nice. But you could perhaps use a slightly larger parking space ;-) Kudos for the 86 being your 'sensible' car though :-D. Reminds me of the lady I saw on a forum with a Lotus Elise. She got pregnant. Sell the car? Noooo. She just found a pushchair small enough to cram into the luggage bay. Respect Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Normally not all 3 are out at the same time. had to move the 4x4 to the front just to get the bike and tiger out. Which I was cleaning and again why they had both been out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squadrone Rosso 82 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 FIAT 124 Spider. Drove one last week on roads I know really well loved it. I drove the Abarth version today. Sounded great, nice inside but suffered from considerable scuttle shake with the roof down. Not apparent on more softly sprung standard car. Now that our GT86 has over 10k miles on it, it would run rings around either! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicebiscuit 655 Report post Posted November 29, 2016 FIAT 124 Spider. Drove one last week on roads I know really well loved it. I drove the Abarth version today. Sounded great, nice inside but suffered from considerable scuttle shake with the roof down. Not apparent on more softly sprung standard car. Now that our GT86 has over 10k miles on it, it would run rings around either! Have they ruined it with stupidly stiff springs like they did the 500? No idea why they do that on road cars... I thought the wing mirrors were going to fall off every time I ran over a manhole cover... Even Audi have belatedly realised that stupidly stiff suspension and rubber band tyres doesn't actually make a car drive better... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squadrone Rosso 82 Report post Posted November 29, 2016 It's not that bad. Certainly not as bad as my 105 Series Alfa Spider. The new A500 with the Koni adaptive set us is great. I really want one of those with the performance pack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bfranklyn86 52 Report post Posted November 29, 2016 Changed my mind. An Alpha 4C spider is what I'd love to have after the 86. Not in the same price range admittedly, but light, low riding and great looking. anyone driven one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squadrone Rosso 82 Report post Posted November 29, 2016 Changed my mind. An Alpha 4C spider is what I'd love to have after the 86. Not in the same price range admittedly, but light, low riding and great looking. anyone driven one? A what 4c??? They get poor reviews in general but I have several friends with both versions who love them. I was going to order one at the launch despite the £12k blind deposit. I didn't because I couldn't get out unaided due to a knackered back. Also, we tour mainland Europe in our cars so the washbag sized boot would rule that out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul 442 Report post Posted November 29, 2016 R34 Twin Turbo Skyline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lauren 2259 Report post Posted November 29, 2016 4C whilst having so much potential, never fulfilled it and is yet another flawed attempt at a sports car by Alfa Romeo unfortunately. Drive before you buy and all that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samsss 16 Report post Posted November 29, 2016 Having only just got my Gt86 its a bit hard to think. But i really want a subaru impreza wrx sti from hawkeye backwards.Besides the 86 its my dream car. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
