LFA 68 Report post Posted May 24, 2014 Something from PH http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=217&t=1404356&mid=149886&nmt=BRZ+H6+being+tested+by+Subaru+Germany Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
will300 812 Report post Posted May 24, 2014 I've heard that somewhere, but its all rumors and the likely hood of it ever happening is tiny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lauren 2259 Report post Posted May 24, 2014 Interesting, but not convinced that's going to happen. We shall see. If there's a handling penalty then I'd say they wouldn't do it. Far easier to go forced induction really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keethos 842 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 6 pot engine only offering up an extra 50BHP? And how much weight exactly will it add? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 442 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 Keith - it would add at least 50Kgs and, being further forward over the front axle, I reckon it would sorely try the front suspension setup. No way could you just uprate the front springs and expect it to handle the same... It would make more sense to put the 6-pot, with f/i, into the FT1 - ho yus, defo 350hp - but I'm afraid Toyo are pretty fixated on hybrid techno for new stuff.. Spec K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LFA 68 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 I suspect this is nothing more than a local marketing exercise, if that. I can't see Subaru doing this sort of development in Europe. Twin turbo H6; now that would be something. The 6 cylinder boxer engine is a great motor though. 1 Special K reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lauren 2259 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 Hybrid can be good though. Look at the P1, La Ferrari etc. It's the way of the future I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 442 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 I really cannot see Toyota following the MacFerrari hybrid technology, Lauren. It is far too expensive for mass production, I reckon... Spec K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lauren 2259 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 But, if you build a hybrid you can simply tune it to compliment the performance and/or the economy. Toyota already have the technology for it, it's just a matter of setup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kodename47 446 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 It would make more sense to put the 6-pot, with f/i, into the FT1 - ho yusI doubt they'd use a Subaru engine anyway.I really cannot see Toyota following the MacFerrari hybrid technology, Lauren.If Honda have, why not Toyota? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
will300 812 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 I really cannot see Toyota following the MacFerrari hybrid technology, Lauren. It is far too expensive for mass production, I reckon... Spec K Keith - tell me who have been 2nd for the last couple of years at Le Man running hybrid tech? Its only time before it filters down to regular cars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lauren 2259 Report post Posted May 25, 2014 Plus Toyota are beating Audi with a hybrid currently in the world endurance championship: http://www.toyotahybridracing.com Hybrid can most definitely mean performance. TS030 how it works: http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/images/tmg/thr-graphic.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 442 Report post Posted May 26, 2014 I cannot see the Toyo Racing hybrid technology filtering down to mass production. It is, in my opinion, way too expensive. Sure, you can 'lose' a (theoretical) £5grand cost on a P1 or a Ferrari - as a percentage of cost/sales price it's small and it is eminently suitable for a prestige vehicle that starts out with 300+bhp. You cannot 'lose' £5grand cost on a range of 'family saloons' producing less than 150bhp (which is Toyo's bread-and-butter market). It represents a further 15% on sales price in a market where manufacturers strive to shave tenths of a percent off their cost base. A £30grand Yaris / £35grand Prius producing 300bhp may be exciting for the TSS but I doubt it would find a mass market, where 'economy' is the prime mantra, not 'performance'. No doubt Toyo will now launch a 'super hybrid' model and blow my predictions into the weeds.... Spec K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lauren 2259 Report post Posted May 26, 2014 I'm sure Toyota will continue with it's hybrid technology in the economy market. Making a performance Prius or Avensis will not be on the agenda. But that doesn't mean we won't see it for the more expensive sports offering like the FT1 where people expect good performance and would like to see a performance hybrid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kodename47 446 Report post Posted May 26, 2014 No doubt Toyo will now launch a 'super hybrid' model and blow my predictions into the weeds....They have been looking into it for the Mk.2 GT86, I thought that was common knowledge?If the new NSX has it, I'd be highly surprised if Toyota's flagship sports model doesn't. Electric motors produce torque much earlier than any combustion engine. The FT1 would have to directly compete with the NSX and that already has a very high standard to live up to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 442 Report post Posted May 26, 2014 I don't see it, Steve... ... the new NSX will be in excess of £100,000 (Evo magazine). That is Porsche/Audi R8 territory... What makes you think the FT1 will be taking that on? It's way out of Toyo's comfort zone in terms of market and price... Honda need a flagship model to market to endorse its F1 engine involvement. The original Supra didn't take on the NSX then, so why do it now? Yes, I could understand (barely) a 'hybrid' GT86 if Toyo were determined to keep it n/a - but at what cost per unit? Way above f/i.... Spec K Spec K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kodename47 446 Report post Posted May 29, 2014 The original NSX and Supra were direct price comparators. Both c. £60k I believe if you disregard the NSX-R. Very different machines but from the days where all the Japanese manufacturers had flagship cars all in that price band.... Mitsi GTO, Nissan Skyline GTR, Honda NSX and Toyota Supra.I'll be shocked if the FT-1 comes out at a much lower price point to the NSX, but that's just how I think it will happen. If not it will fall into the price bracket of the GTR. If they've talked about a KERS type system in the GT86 then no doubt that's what they'll use on the FT-1.I feel that they won't go FI on the 86, we'll see a larger engine or a hybrid.Also, with the £ to Yen rate improving, hopefully we should see the cost of the cars begin to drop a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 442 Report post Posted May 29, 2014 Steve - EVO magazine reckon the NSX in the UK will start at £100,000. And it's not surprising, as they're using 'multi-material' for chassis plus McLaren backup on development.. and that ignores the 'R' and the 'T' variants which are promised. Release Date 2015 give an estimated starting price for the 'new Toyota Supra', albeit in USA, of $40-50,000. Okay, so double it for UK, to include Toyo Europe's exorbitant markup and UK car tax = still works out about two thirds the cost of a £100grand NSX... and cheaper than a GT-R... Bring it on.... Spec K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rob275 1817 Report post Posted May 29, 2014 I think it's silly for anyone to speculate, it's only a concept anyway isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hashiriya 52 Report post Posted May 29, 2014 Does anyone remember the TOMS car which they built a while back? http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/01/toms-n086v-is-a-v6-powered-400-hp-toyota-gt86-2013-tokyo-auto-salon.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rob275 1817 Report post Posted May 29, 2014 It's nice to see, but in my opinion ruins the car. Makes the front just far too heavy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 442 Report post Posted May 29, 2014 I think it's silly for anyone to speculate, it's only a concept anyway isn't it? No, it's beyond conception, it's now gestating (as opposed to guesstating.. haha..) Spec K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
