Autoexpress magazines Top 100 Fast Cars, ???

[BRZ2 25]

Why does the BRZ get #16 when they are the same, dickheads:), the BRZ has slightly firmer suspension so should be better in theoryBTW the Porsche Cayman was #1

[rob275 1817]

car mags are a load of bollocks, it's one persons opinion. Probably a member on pistonheads if the truth is known.

[Lauren 2259]

To be fair, firmer does not automatically mean better. It's not as simple as that! The impression I get is that the Subaru is not as tail happy, so it is not the same and that's why it's rated differently.

[Arekkz 25]

It's because the BRZ has a funny face :32 (20):

[BRZ2 25]

To be fair' date=' firmer does not automatically mean better. It's not as simple as that! The impression I get is that the Subaru is not as tail happy, so it is not the same and that's why it's rated differently.[/quote']the difference in the suspension was because the Toyota was softer for the mass market (women and older folk) and the Subaru was more hard core, so it should be better maybe?Having driven both i cant tell any difference myselfbut 12 places below the GT86 what a crock of shit.

[speedy 32]

But it's not quite as much fun as the Toyota

Agreed that it doesn't really make sense for them to be 12 places apart though.

[Lauren 2259]

the difference in the suspension was because the Toyota was softer for the mass market (women and older folk) and the Subaru was more hard core' date=' so it should be better maybe?Having driven both i cant tell any difference myselfbut 12 places below the GT86 what a crock of shit.[/quote']The difference in suspension set up was because Toyota and Subaru wanted their cars to handle differently. Toyota tested the car and wanted to make sure it can drift so harder springs at the rear softer at the front. Subaru given they haven't made a RWD car before went for the opposite option It would not be correct to say that the Subaru is more hardcore just because it has stiffer front springs. If anything it oversteers less and people tend to view cars that oversteer as more hardcore. Interesting that you drove both, couldn't tell any difference and now think that the Subaru is more hardcore..... :pMaybe don't worry about what Autoexpress say. Does it really matter?

[rob275 1817]

I think it's down to one persons critique on the cars really, it's like if Lauren reviewed the two, she would probably side with the 86 as she likes the tail happiness of it, where as you steve would probably side with the BRZ. I agree, it's odd they are not near each other though given they are essentially the same. I mean surely they would score the same marks for comfort etc...

[BRZ2 25]

[BRZ2 25]

Either wayz, mine has BC Racing Coilovers with the same springs Fensport have on the track car, so who cares now

[Keethos 842]

The question is, would you have been happy with a GT86/BRZ Toyobaru being in 4th rather than being 2 separate cars being reviewed independently?