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  1. Notaricer

    Cheap BBK swap

    All ready to be painted. Just need some stickers. Wish me luck getting the right size[emoji23]
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    Cheap BBK swap

    Thanks for that mate. I guess they are very very similar. The brackets seem like they’re made to a higher standard than the ones I have sought after. If I was going to get some made for this build then I would get them made to a standard that people choose. I’m not looking to sell them for that much if I do, and I’m not going to try and make a business out of this; just sort people out if that’s what they want to do. Just a bit of an update whilst I’m on here. The callipers themselves totalled £308.53 and that was including import fees and shipping. I didn’t realise but Amazon do some sort of ‘import fees deposit’ which means that I pay it to them and they cover it when it gets here. I believe I have made progress on the brake pads situation. The OE pads are definitely measured incorrectly. I’ve just received the callipers I’ve measured the housing. After countless more hours of research I have found the right size pads. Depending on manufacturer, they are about 131mm x 77mm pads. These can be found on the Volvo S60 R and V70 R.
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    Cheap BBK swap

    That makes sense too. I always just understood it as you’ve braked too much (overbraked) because the harder you press it doesn’t make a difference I.E. brake fade. You’ve underbraked because you’ve not pressed hard enough or for long enough to get the discs/pads up to temp. That is a good analogy. At least we’ve arrived at the same conclusion; just got there different ways[emoji23].
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    Cheap BBK swap

    Doesn’t that mean overbraked then? If it can’t dissipate the heat then they have been overly used. I thought underbraking meant that you COULDN’T get them up to temp to work correctly. So with ceramics they have a higher operating temperature, so that’s why feedback from braking is slightly delayed. It’s the same with performance pads; they need to be heated up to a certain temp to work effectively. If I’ve got underbraking and overbraking the wrong way round then my apologies. But I still think we agree with each other.
  5. Notaricer

    Cheap BBK swap

    I give up[emoji2363][emoji23]. You’re not arguing a point. It’s like you’re making a rebuttal but not actually arguing any point; just giving me a 101 on race setups[emoji23]. Please leave the thread so that people don’t have to navigate through the waves of nonsense.
  6. Notaricer

    Cheap BBK swap

    Now that’s something I definitely missed during my considerations! I didn’t even think about that and most definitely appreciate the insight.
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    Cheap BBK swap

    You’re doing it again mate! It doesn’t have any relevance[emoji23] Your first point which I could just about make out, was very wrong indeed. A car that ‘needs’ heavier braking doesn’t necessarily need to be heavier or faster/more powerful - it’s just the speed at which they want to decelerate. F1 cars are insanely light but require going from 100-0 in less than 2 seconds. The limiting factor is tyres, as to which i have 275s all round. I would also only put ceramic brakes or high performance pads under the category of potential ‘under braking’. Steel discs themselves wouldn’t, in my opinion. Their frictional coefficient decreases as heat increases, whereas ceramics and high performance pads are the opposite. The purpose of discs is to provide a mating surface for the pads and to dissipate the heat generated from the friction caused by the rotation of the wheels.
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    Cheap BBK swap

    That’s your prerogative mate. You’re doing exactly what church is saying that I’m doing - which is rationalising decisions based on labels. Just because a calliper comes off a Ferrari does not mean that is good, which is the same for the approach that I have taken. That’s like me saying that the sky is blue and you arguing with me and saying that it is also blue; It doesn’t make any sense. The production car this comes off is a Cadillac CTS-V which is high-end car (6.2L supercharged) over in the states as far I’m concerned, if that’s any consolation for you. Like I said before, this build has had many positive reviews over the water. I will update this thread with my opinions should anyone choose to read.
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    Cheap BBK swap

    I did have a look at them, and they’re not the same. The ones I have bought are a bigger calliper 4 pot and those callipers on Godspeed allow for 125mm, whereas the the ones I have got allow 170mm pads. I’m guessing that also translates to surface area of the cylinders, meaning they are in fact larger - but I could be wrong; they could just house larger pads. I did include the cost of the ferodo pads in the price - which are circa £240 on their own. But I’ll let you make your own assumptions.
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    Cheap BBK swap

    An installation video I watched a while back said in order for it to fit under stock 17’s, you would need to shave the top of the calliper and run spacers which then meant you would also need longer bolts[emoji2375]. I guess that’s a budget way of doing things[emoji23]. Well the last set I had was the EBC Ultimax Slotted with Yellowstuff pads. The brake judder was horrendous; I had to heat them up again to get them to square back up[emoji3061]
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    Cheap BBK swap

    No I’m not running stock wheels. They will fit under most aftermarket 17’s though. I’ve got 18’s so they will clear no problem. I’ll update this post when I’ve ran them in. Believe it or not though mate, both sets of discs cracked/warped on the road and not on track. You could say I’m a spirited driver and finds some roads worthy of track-like driving. But in all honesty, it’s done that only driving 8/10ths. Hopefully the limiting factor will be me, and not the car - that’ll definitely be the sweet spot[emoji23] For sure mate! I’ll give you a shout if I book something, which I hope is in the near future.
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    Cheap BBK swap

    [mention]Church [/mention] I nearly had a stroke reading that[emoji23] Well first of all, they’re 4 pots. They have a larger surface area of pistons, pads are larger and the disc is larger. If this didn’t have any difference over my current OE brakes I’d be really concerned. Also, this would be reflected in the reviews that I have seen. The fact that some brands are more reputable than others is not my fault. Brembos are the pinnacle, (or at least they’re made out to be; all the top spec cars such as F1 use them) so I wedged my bets on that. I understand that these callipers are not monoblock or forged aluminium or GT callipers. I also understand that there is someone more knowledgeable out there than I am, but you’re assuming that I’ve made the decision to go for this kit based on a sticker when that couldn’t be more far from the truth. The whole point of this is to express bang for buck. I haven’t found out the bang for myself just yet but I digress. This is about having the largest improvement to price ratio. It just happens to be that brembos fell right into that category. We’re drifting off topic (pardon the pun) here and getting into semantics. I appreciate the advice for supporting mods for drifting, but this isn’t the topic of discussion. You’re giving your opinion of what you would do and this isn’t the purpose of what I’m trying to seek out. Surely this is clear?
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    Cheap BBK swap

    These are just the 326mm rotors from the STi. You can go for the 6 pot kit they offer, but it’s a bit too much for what I need. They actually do a conversion kit from the 4 to the 6 so if you’re not happy or are looking for a change it’s really easy to swap out. The disc size is the same for both though if I remember correctly. I will be using this for fast road and light track use. The main problem I’ve been having is heat dissipation. My stock discs have cracked (only on the front). And when I went for uprated discs, they warped. This seems like a sure fire way of going about it, or at least I hope so. I don’t need overkill. I would definitely go for the AP 6 pot kit if 1. I had the money and 2. If it made sense. Like I said to church, it’s all much of a muchness. I’ll be honest though, I haven’t done much research on the ksports. I feel like because they are a BBK which is more affordable, that they arguably aren’t made to the same quality/standard as the other kits. That’s why I went down the route of picking up a genuine brembo kit from a production car, even though it wasn’t designed for my car - I can make all the necessary tweaks. It has been extensively reviewed and many people seem happy with it. It’s a budget option that I’ve not heard anyone from the UK have explored, but you’re not cheaping out on parts if that makes sense.
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    Cheap BBK swap

    [mention]Church [/mention] I don’t require your theoretical skepticism, to which there is a simple solution for. If you feel you’re not happy with the brake bias, simply adjust your cross shaft by screwing it in and out to imbalance the two bars (front and rear). Or better yet buy a balance bar so you can adjust from within the cabin. I’ve seen your arguments towards brake bias repeatedly. They just seem to attack the decisions of others, whilst just regurgitating information that everyone understands. Like i said, the topic of brake bias has been extensively covered, and I as well as others understand the implications of changing setups like this. There is no need to go over this again. If people have questions regarding this, they can make their own post, and I’m sure you would be more than happy to put your two pence in. Not that it’s anyone’s business, but I would benefit from a forward brake bias due to using the car for drifting. It’s each to their own, and much of a muchness to make a subjective argument as someone may well just want to buy this kit for aesthetics. People buy quick-release steering wheels all the time, and there’s no safety benefit from them on the road[emoji2375] As for ‘endorsing’ the swap, you have interpreted what I have said wrong, or you have used the wrong vocabulary. This is a summary of what I have had to do as well as informing others of costs. If anyone else is looking to carry out this swap, they are more than welcome to ask me questions in relation to it.
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    Cheap BBK swap

    Okay guys, this is my first post but I have been on the scene for a while and would like to put forward some information for other people on a budget. If people could offer guidance or confirm that I’m taking everything into account I possibly could, then that would also be great! So essentially, if people don’t know, there is a bracket kit from the USA that allows you to put on a brand new set of brembos that are from US specific cars, but at a low price. I had assumed that this would never work for anyone based in the UK, as import fees and the international shipping would discount the thought of even going down that route. Not to mention, maintenance costs for discs and pads would have to come from the US. Anyway, I bit the bullet and decided to purchase this kit (it has not yet come) due to the fact that it is still a cheap option - as opposed to going for an aftermarket kit, or even swapping the scooby brembos over. Both front brembo calipers have come from ACdelco/GM, and have totalled to £300 - this is not including import fees; I am yet to be hit with them. But for arguments sake, I’m paying £400 for a brand new set of 4 pot brembos. The discs required come from an 04 STi, which would be the case for people doing the scooby swap. If purchasing these calipers, you would need to buy the pins and carriers separately (about £30 for a set). Next up is the brackets from ctsvbrakeswap. For the 4 pot upgrade (they do a 6 pot one too) it is $220 + $35 for intl. shipping. So $255 plus taxes will easily be £275. So we’re talking about £700 so far. The discs are about £150 for a decent grooved pair. The pads have been the hardest part to find. I think this calliper is the same as the Volvo S60 R and V70 R.... I’ve managed to find some ferodo DS2500’s for thag calliper (I’m just waiting on confirmation of sizes). So just to be on the safe side it’s about £1000 for this whole kit. If anyone has done this swap in the UK, or anyone knows anything about where I could source different pads from that would be great. It has been a nightmare to come close to anything. If anyone has raised eyebrows as to why I have made this very difficult for myself when I could settle for going down the scooby route (which I worked out to be around £1500), there are a few reasons: Everything is brand new, but cheaper than an aftermarket kit. Once I have a hold of these brackets, I can then make a CAD drawing to then get some machined for people that would like to take this route even cheaper than I have - if that is something people are interested in? Guys, please don’t talk about brake bias, or anything alike, as we already have heard about this on every BBK topic. The point of this post is that if anyone is savvy with parts coming from different cars that would fit this kit (especially if they can be sourced from the UK), as well as open up the market to find parts from different places, it would make this swap more comforting to people as they have more options to take and are not restricted to what pads they want to buy for example. And it would evidently be cheaper. This is also for people that have taken the same route as me that would like to give their feedback with running the setup! Cheers, Gaz
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