Mike 458 Report post Posted May 11, 2019 I might end up doing that as I don't know if the harness will foul the seat belt or not (if a spacer won't fit either) but using that bolt seems a cleaner install as there's no bending or twisting of the harness. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything as it must be strong enough as the load from the seat belt will go through the bracket before the car itself. Your pics are the only ones available of the actual mounting points, other than a number of Germans who have used the top isofix point which isn't strong enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted May 11, 2019 It's designed to be able to be bent. I wouldn't use that bracket. 1 Lauren reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 458 Report post Posted May 11, 2019 2 hours ago, maurice said: It's designed to be able to be bent. I wouldn't use that bracket. Any specific reason why you wouldn't use it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted May 11, 2019 In a bad accident the force that goes through the seat belt is huge, I wouldn't want to attach to something which I don't know the strength of when there is a known good point to attach to right there. 1 Lauren reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 458 Report post Posted May 11, 2019 I get that, but that bolt is what the belt reel is attached to so surely must be strong enough? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted May 11, 2019 I guess if you're that sure go with it, it's your decision. I don't profess to be an expert! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sam534 62 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 What do you guys do to stop the seat belt chime going off when using the harness and not the standard seat belt? Sent from my STF-L09 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EB2429 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 Things I worry about so can I ask? Due to the harness rear locating point, In the event of an accident is the belt distributing load evenly through the shoulders? Or is it skewed to one side slightly? If the harness secures you more in your seat than a normal lap belt, in a front or side accident does your neck take more load? i.e. Hans would be required? Also are you fitting half cages to prevent head injuries in the unlikely event of a roll over, or do you feel it doesn't matter due to air bags? I thought it was a general consensus to be a higher risk to fit harness without cage. In theory, with an inertia belt you will be deflected to one side in the event the roof caves in as you roll, with a harness your head will support the roof in-lieu of a roll cage? BTW the belts look a great addition, but just some things that have concerned me (rightly or wrongly). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lauren 2259 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, EB2429 said: Things I worry about so can I ask? Due to the harness rear locating point, In the event of an accident is the belt distributing load evenly through the shoulders? Or is it skewed to one side slightly? If the harness secures you more in your seat than a normal lap belt, in a front or side accident does your neck take more load? i.e. Hans would be required? Also are you fitting half cages to prevent head injuries in the unlikely event of a roll over, or do you feel it doesn't matter due to air bags? I thought it was a general consensus to be a higher risk to fit harness without cage. In theory, with an inertia belt you will be deflected to one side in the event the roof caves in as you roll, with a harness your head will support the roof in-lieu of a roll cage? BTW the belts look a great addition, but just some things that have concerned me (rightly or wrongly). The belts are sided with an anti-submarining bit built in, so it would release and lengthen the shoulder strap on the left hand side to prevent it pulling you to one side. It's not designed to be used with HANS, well your seat isn't. It may or may not put your neck under more load. I shouldn't think it's any different than the effect of a regular seat belt though. The age old harness/roll cage debate. I just think it's rubbish really, but others seem to have a strong viewpoint on it. The likelihood of the roof caving in and it compressing your neck is a very small one probability wise. I.e., not significant. Your head, your decision at the end of the day. 2 GraemeI and KevinA reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GraemeI 41 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 5 hours ago, sam534 said: What do you guys do to stop the seat belt chime going off when using the harness and not the standard seat belt? Sent from my STF-L09 using Tapatalk Nice, cheap and simple fix https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07BNP45JH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GraemeI 41 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Mike said: I might end up doing that as I don't know if the harness will foul the seat belt or not (if a spacer won't fit either) but using that bolt seems a cleaner install as there's no bending or twisting of the harness. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything as it must be strong enough as the load from the seat belt will go through the bracket before the car itself. Your pics are the only ones available of the actual mounting points, other than a number of Germans who have used the top isofix point which isn't strong enough. I used the same mounting point as the one in @VAD17‘s pictures, but rather than fatigue the metal by bending it, I used the supplied longer bolt and spacer. It’s very solid as a mounting point hth 1 Mike reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, GraemeI said: Nice, cheap and simple fix https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07BNP45JH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The cheapest way is just to disconnect the wiring connector going to the seat belt receiver! I used one of these plugs until I realised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sam534 62 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 The cheapest way is just to disconnect the wiring connector going to the seat belt receiver! I used one of these plugs until I realised.Is that under the drivers seat I'm guessing?Same with passengers? Sent from my STF-L09 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GraemeI 41 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, maurice said: The cheapest way is just to disconnect the wiring connector going to the seat belt receiver! I used one of these plugs until I realised. Which is a great solution if you never want it to work again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 458 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, GraemeI said: I used the same mounting point as the one in @VAD17‘s pictures, but rather than fatigue the metal by bending it, I used the supplied longer bolt and spacer. It’s very solid as a mounting point hth Sounds like a solution to bending it then. Will make a decision when I do it. As long as the plastic trim isn't causing a bend in the strap, think it'll be bolting to the car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, GraemeI said: Which is a great solution if you never want it to work again Eh? It's a wiring connector, depress the tab to release. Plug back to make it work again?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrey86 352 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 38 minutes ago, sam534 said: Is that under the drivers seat I'm guessing? Same with passengers? Sent from my STF-L09 using Tapatalk It is under the seat yeah. I don't remember the passenger side being different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 458 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 I'm guessing the stock belt doesn't flap around too much if left loose then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VAD17 479 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 It doesn't, i use blanks rather than disconnecting the seat bell warning sound, easy enough.Note that while these belts (and stock seats) are not designed to be compatible with HANS, you can use Simpson Hybrid device, and it fits quite a lit better than standard 3 point belt. Hope to never find how good it is though...Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GraemeI 41 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 50 minutes ago, maurice said: Eh? It's a wiring connector, depress the tab to release. Plug back to make it work again?! Hahaha - of course - I have sleep deprivation and much body ache from 3 hour karting session, so I clearly only have one cylinder working! Is it as easy to access as the seatbelt clip? 1 surrey86 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GraemeI 41 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Mike said: I'm guessing the stock belt doesn't flap around too much if left loose then? I wondered exactly the same thing, but mine seems fine - don't do anything with it and haven't noticed it flapping about. With my OCD about car noises, I usually notice anything that doesn't seem right 1 Mike reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lauren 2259 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Mike said: I'm guessing the stock belt doesn't flap around too much if left loose then? Never noticed it when I'm using the harness. It's no different to the passenger side and you don't notice that flapping around when you don't have a passenger do you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 458 Report post Posted May 12, 2019 You make a valid point! Will just grab a blank to put in the buckle then... 1 Lauren reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 458 Report post Posted May 21, 2019 Had a quick chat with @Lauren at the sprint and have decided to just use the bolt that the reel is connected to as that's what Lauren's done and if the rear reel is connected to it, it must be strong enough (seems pretty well bolted in to the car anyway!). Fit the rear piece last night and you can do it without taking any trim off really. Just lower the rear seat back, remove the 2 pop clips holding the boot liner in at the side and you can get access to the bolt with an extension. A normal socket set should be strong enough to get the nut off. 3 Lauren, VAD17 and sam534 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James18 50 Report post Posted December 12, 2019 Does anybody have any good places to buy from? Or is it just a case of shopping around and finding the best deal at the time? Should've bought mine on Black Friday 🙄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites