SuperChips remap?

[GT86Bob 61]

I've decided to bite the bullet after just one round of the TSS and a few Loton Park hillclimbs in the GT86 and get my engine remapped. The people who look after my other cars aren't Toyota specialists but have a good reputation in the performance/competition field. When I mentioned a remap to them they said they'd use a map from SuperChips (http://www.superchips.co.uk/). I've attached the power curve graph.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I have faith in my people, I just don't know whether there is a better alternative for the map or whether I should go to a GT86 specialist.

Thanks
Bob 

BRZ & GT86.pdf

[KevinA 695]

Go specialist it is the way forward no doubt !

[Lauren 2259]

Seriously, go to someone who has a good knowledge of the cars. Ecutek is what the renowned tuners use. Your options are Fensport (Fens) Abbey Motorsport (SE) and Tuning Developments who are in Warrington (NW). 

You want  custom map, not something that is pre-configured, so I wouldn't go the superchips route. May as well do it properly. 

Most if not all of the N1 class has been remapped by Tuning Developments. 

[Lauren 2259]

I'd consider though at least an exhaust and secondary decat before the remap though. Many have gone for an aftermarket manifold and the Tuning Developmnents one is easily the most popular choice for this sprinting. I'm one of the few running a stock manifold and still have the primary cat, but have lost the second and have a Milltek overpipe and system, induction kit and Tuning Developments remap. 

[Church 209]

Ecutek is most often used by specialist tuning shops for our cars, OFT most often used "community/DIY". Instead of later one also Tactrix cable can be used for some savings at expense of reduced usage ease.

Superchip .. from faq it seems at least being normal ecu flash, not piggyback chip, that's good. But still, as ist's far from leading ecu tuning solutions for our cars, most probably no "normal" tuning shops will be able to tune with it, you'll have to trust  & stick with whatever expertise & experience these superchip guys have or haven't with our cars, it may also greatily limit which different aftermarket bolt-on parts / forced induction kits are supported or how well they are supported.

I'd say - don't. Ecutek for shop tune, OFT for own tinkering with optimising OTS tunes.

[Rich 378]

If I were you I'd be looking at a proper mapping session on a dyno, not an off the shelf map. They only give decent gains on turbo cars by dialling up the boost; for N/A I doubt it would be that great.

[Ade 517]

I'm sure I will get shot down in flames, but Superchips probably did a decent amount of R&D including road and dyno tuning.

12hp is a modest gain so the map is probably quite safe. For ~£229 including installation and VAT its a bargain! and well over half the price of buying a licence and mapping from our tuners. 

That said, if you want to add other drive train mods in the future you cant have the map tweaked like you can from our regular tuners. 

 

 

 

[rob275 1817]

I was about to say exactly what @Ade said. I guess it depends on your goals here. If you're likely to add further bits that would benefit from a tweak later down the line such as a manifold etc then arguably your best option is to go ECUtek. Slightly more expensive from the offset but likely the better and more supported option.

[GT86Bob 61]

Thanks for all your prompt replies. No doubt  what the consensus is!  By the way, the place I go to has a rolling road and I had thought they would do 'a proper mapping session on a dyno'. I'll ask again but you've probably persuaded me to look elsewhere. Thing is, I have a good relationship there as they look after my S2000 and in the past they looked after my Formula Ford and my Elise so there is that relationship to consider. Decisions decisions.

[Cerastes 204]

They can still look after those, just don't tell them you have a GT86 and sneak away to one of the traders mentioned above 

Edit: I'll add, I got a UEL manifold and remap done at Fensport, never been happier. Yes it was expensive but you pay for what you get. Adrian certainly knew what he was doing when he took me out on the open road to remap it. I tried my best to understand most of it, even though he explained it all very well. 

[Deacon 1357]

One thing I would add about superchips power figures is that, from my VW days, their dyno (and so the figures they quote) are massively 'generous'. E.g. on a VAG car they may quote a power increase of say 40bhp over stock. But a stock car run on their dyno would show say 30bhp over the manufacturers figures anyway...

[Matt100 1]

I'd happily take my BRZ to the guys at Superchips. I know for a fact that they used a GT86 on a dyno to create their off the shelf map, and they also aide on reliability over all out performance. 

They'll do a custom map to your car don't forget on a dyno. All depends on the approach you want to take

[GT86Bob 61]

Interestingly I popped into my tuning place and talked through this whole issue with them. They agree with you lot! They say the superchips option is fine if you just want to "pep up" a fast road car but anything more and you should opt for something like a custom edutec map. So now I know. However, Lauren's post has persuaded me to look at the exhaust first and where I go is à Milltec dealer so I'm considering a primary cat back system. Thing is I also need wheels and tyres. I knew this would all get out of hand! Maybe secondhand is the way to go.

 

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[Lauren 2259]

I have a Milltek, but I should add that I'm on my fourth one, due to the previous three cracking. They have put in an extra flexi section which seems to have done the trick, but Mike B had this done too and his still cracked. To be fair as RRG Macc' fitted my Milltek (I specced it when I ordered the car), they have replaced it no hassle three times now, but if it goes again I will be getting something else as well, enough is enough. It sounds lovely and for me it is perfect, but it's hard to recommend a Milltek given that so many people have had them crack. RRG don't sell Millteks anymore as a result of this. 

I would go for the JP Exhausts system that TD sell as their product. JP are, I think the best exhaust manufacturer I've ever come across and their quality really is fantastic. But whilst you are there, lose the second cat and gain a few horses. Passing the MOT with the primary cat, is no problem at all, I have had two MOT's now on my car with this setup. 

[Deacon 1357]

32 minutes ago, Lauren said:

I have a Milltek, but I should add that I'm on my fourth one, due to the previous three cracking. They have put in an extra flexi section which seems to have done the trick, but Mike B had this done too and his still cracked. To be fair as RRG Macc' fitted my Milltek (I specced it when I ordered the car), they have replaced it no hassle three times now, but if it goes again I will be getting something else as well, enough is enough. It sounds lovely and for me it is perfect, but it's hard to recommend a Milltek given that so many people have had them crack. RRG don't sell Millteks anymore as a result of this. 

I've heard rumours that Miltek are changing their name to 'Willcrack' 😁

[Dannyw86trd 1]

Hi all, new to the group! Just wondering would a decat header add further gains to the superchips tune or would you need the custom tune from Ecutek? Thanks 

[Dannyw86trd 1]

Hi all, new to the group! Just wondering would a decat header add further gains to the superchips tune or would you need the custom tune from Ecutek? Thanks 

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2 minutes ago, Dannyw86trd said:

Hi all, new to the group! Just wondering would a decat header add further gains to the superchips tune or would you need the custom tune from Ecutek? Thanks 

I think you would be much better off with a custom tune with ECUtek. Or the very least consider an OFT

[BRZ-123 174]

You would need the custom tune as superchips does it for a car with stock parts. Just a manifold won't free up horses on its own unless paired with a new tune.

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[Church 209]

Oh it will free up, but only portion of what it might, making price/performance for it unreasonable imho. Also catless header = probable CEL regarding cat readiness checks. Also needs to be disabled in tune.

[Dannyw86trd 1]

Would this tune be ok for me if I have just a decat front pipe and k&N panel filter? Don’t think I’ll be looking at doing any further performance mods down the line so if I can save money where I can doing this I don’t mind losing a few bhp gains I might get from Ecutek/oft tune especially as I’m not going to do the catless header anymore. What do you think? 🤔 and just want to make sure it’s reliable and safe and I’m guessing with that small increase it states on the website I should probably be alright?

[Daninplymouth 61]

1 hour ago, Dannyw86trd said:

Would this tune be ok for me if I have just a decat front pipe and k&N panel filter? Don’t think I’ll be looking at doing any further performance mods down the line so if I can save money where I can doing this I don’t mind losing a few bhp gains I might get from Ecutek/oft tune especially as I’m not going to do the catless header anymore. What do you think? 🤔 and just want to make sure it’s reliable and safe and I’m guessing with that small increase it states on the website I should probably be alright?

I would say no. Their graph is completely wrong and made up so in my eyes if they can’t even put the effort in to at least make a graph look half realistic what’s the mapping going to be like? To get an noticeable benefits I think you would have to go with header and map there’s no other real way to make any decent improvement 

[Lauren 2259]

3 hours ago, Dannyw86trd said:

Would this tune be ok for me if I have just a decat front pipe and k&N panel filter? Don’t think I’ll be looking at doing any further performance mods down the line so if I can save money where I can doing this I don’t mind losing a few bhp gains I might get from Ecutek/oft tune especially as I’m not going to do the catless header anymore. What do you think? 🤔 and just want to make sure it’s reliable and safe and I’m guessing with that small increase it states on the website I should probably be alright?

I had a remap from TD with a decat and catback and induction kit, it did make a difference, but nowhere near as much as it did when I went for a manifold as well. Is it worth doing? Yes, I think so if you're defintely not going for a manifold. But I would say get it done properly at somewhere like TD. Getting some half-arsed map isn't going to be worth it. Do it properly or not at all.

[BRZ-123 174]

First things first, Super chips is a very reputable company, been leaders in the chip tuning business and i know of them since i knew about chip tuning and have used them in the past. If you go to their HQ in Milton Keynes, they will even dyno the car for free alongside the tune.

Secondly for an NA car, unless there are specific restrictions like for a mazda 3, the same car comes in 2 states of tune a 120 BHP and a 165 BHP and the throttle cut off removal really unlocks the extra power. For a turbo car, its a different story and the gains with just a tune are noticeable.For a GT86, there is no such restriction and for the hardware it comes really well tuned. With a superchips tune you will not gain much.

The ECUTEK gives you all fancy features like flat foot shift, launch control etc, which people rarely use in daily driving.

So in summary, for our cars a NA tune without hardware changes (like manifold) is not worth it as the gains will be rarely noticeable.  

[lintgfx 3]

You'd probably end up getting an ECUTEK map anyway once you start modifying the car further so it makes sense to just do it now. It's a bit like the springs vs. coilover argument. One is a cheaper option but nearly everyone who goes for the cheaper option ends up getting the more expensive one further down the line.